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Dear HPFF:

As usual, there is something of substance that has appeared at the last minute.

I've been considering what we can/should say about the behavior of HPF
library routines in the presence of NaNs in the input.  This in response
to a question from Henry.

My first reaction was to ignore NaNs, as does the Fortran standard.
However, I brought up the question with Jim Demmel and Velvel Kahan.
And I asked Guy about how Java treats NaNs in its library routines.
Now, better educated on this subject, I want to make a proposal.

Kahan asks that we not ignore NaNs.  The reason for saying something is
to allow users to write portable code; they must have some behavior on
which they can rely.

There is no problem with the elemental functions.  SQRT(NaN) is NaN.
The Fortran standard doesnt say this, as NaN is not included in its model for 
REAL values, but is seems to me that it goes without saying.

For the reductions PROD, SUM, the IEEE rule dictate a NaN result when any
of the array elements contributing to an element of the result is a NaN.
Again, it seems to me that we don't have to say this.

Trouble comes from MIN, MAX, MINVAL, MAXVAL, SORT_UP, SORT_DOWN, GRADE_UP, and
GRADE_DOWN.    The IEEE standard has no simple answer to the question of
how NaNs compare with other numbers or other NaNs.


Here is Guy's input concerning what Java does:

  "In Java, if either argument to max() or min() is NaN, the result is NaN."

  "Java has no position on SORT or GRADE.  I would recommend that, for
   sorting purposes, NaN values should sort high with respect to finite
   values.  A simple way to achieve this is to convert each
   floating-point number to a signed integer of the same size and then
   grade the integers (or sort them and convert back).  The necessary
   conversion can be expressed in Java as:

        long j = Double.doubleToLongBits(x);
        if (j < 0) j ~= 0x7FFFFFFFFFFFFFFF;
        j -= 0x000FFFFFFFFFFFFF;

    which is clearly invertible.  This does cause the "negative" NaNs to sort
    higher than the "positive" NaNs---I don't think that matters; or a slightly
    more complex conversion can be used."


Before we agree with the first of these decisions, so that maxval,
minval, max, min (these are Fortran intrinsics, BTW) would all return
NaN whan any of the elements of the input corresponding to an element of
the result is NaN, we should look at an alternative:  the result is
always in the range [-Inf, +Inf].  NaN's play no role in determining the
value of the result.  Thus:

MAX(5, NaN) == 5
MIN(5, NaN) == 5
MAX(NaN, NaN) = -Inf   ! As if of an empty set

(And note that Guy's nice implementation of sort doesnt work for the Java
interpretation of MIN.)


For the SORT routines, I don't like the definition NaN > +Inf, as it's not
consistent with the behavior of MIN and MINVAL, and its wierd mathematically.  
I would prefer to put the NaNs at the end of the output, regardless of the
direction of the sort.  But that complicates Guy's implementation.

Lastly, I suggest an elemental function ISAN that returns .true. if its input is 
not a NaN and .false. otherwise.

We need to add NaNs to the HPF model for reals.   Something like
"A variable of type real may also have a value that does not represent any real
number.   Such a value is referred to as a NaN (Not a Number).  

The unary and binary operators that return real values will, in general,
return a NaN if any of their arguments is a NaN.  This is also true of
the intrinsic elemental and reduction functions.   Thus, for example, an element
of the result of SUM(X) will be a NaN if any element of X that contributes to that
element of the result is a NaN.

The behavior of MIN, MAX, MINVAL, MAXVAL in the presence of NaNs is as follows.
TBD.

The SORT and GRADE functions of the HPF_LIBRARY also behave in a deterministic way
when NaNs occur as elements of their inputs.   (How is TBD).

We could also just ignore NaNs and hope that the Fortran committee and some future
HPFF will get this right.

  -- Rob





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>Dear HPFF:
>
>As usual, there is something of substance that has appeared at the last
>minute.
>
>I've been considering what we can/should say about the behavior of HPF
>library routines in the presence of NaNs in the input.  This in response
>to a question from Henry.
>
>My first reaction was to ignore NaNs, as does the Fortran standard.
>However, I brought up the question with Jim Demmel and Velvel Kahan.
>And I asked Guy about how Java treats NaNs in its library routines.
>Now, better educated on this subject, I want to make a proposal.
>

I agree with your analysis, but I think that practical reasons we should
just stick with "the default behavior", i.e. ignore NaNs.  My reasons:

* There is more than one reasonable alternative, as you analyze.

* NaN is not in the Fortran model for real numbers, so adding it would
essentially be changing the numerics of the language (in a small way).

* We cannot meet to discuss this before the draft is presented to the public.

The interpretation of NaN is a reasonable question to send to
hpff-interpret (priming the CCI pump for HPFUG).  It is an even better
question to send to X3J3.  But if the issue is important we should not
shoot from the hip in resolving it.

						Chuck

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I have accepted a new position within Digital as a Senior Manager in 
the External Technology Group, a part of the Corporate Strategy and 
Technology Group.

The mission of the Corporate Strategy and Technology Group is to
    insure that Digital has a well-defined corporate strategy,
    insure that Digital has a well-defined technical strategy in 
support of the
        corporate strategy, and
    insure that Digital has the appropriate advanced technology 
development
        to support and evolve the technical strategy and the corporate 
strategy.

The mission of the External Technology Group is to
    engage universities and other technology-oriented customers in 
projects
    with Digital to identify, evaluate and promote the acquisition and 
usage of
    technology that will enable Digital to extend its technical 
leadership and
    grow its future business.

I will continue my interest in programming languages, including HPF, 
and programming styles and models while engaging in other technology- 
and strategy-related programs.

My e-mail address is now
	David.Loveman@ljo.dec.com
although previous addresses should forward for a while.

My mail address is now
	David Loveman
	Digital Equipment Corporation
	MSO2-3/E21
	111 Powdermill Road
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My phone remains 508-493-3704

My fax is now 508-493-8151

I have enjoyed my relationships with you in the past and hope to 
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To the HPFF core group:

The next HPFF meeting will be held on February 26, 1997.  The meeting will
be held at the Eldorado Hotel, 301 W. San Francisco, Santa Fe, New Mexico.

There will not be a registration fee for this meeting.  But in order to
adequately prepare for it, we will need to know if you plan to attend, so
please RSVP to me at tlc@rice.edu and Bob Boland at wrb@lanl.gov.

To make your hotel reservations, call 505-988-4455 or 1-800-286-6728 by
January 24, 1997.   After that date, the rooms will be released to the
general public.  Be sure to refer to the HPFF meeting.

Our sleeping room rate is $86 per night for single and $108 double
occupancy.  The hotel sleeping rooms are equipped with dataport lines, so
you will be able to use your portable computers from your sleeping rooms.

For more details about the hotel and other travel arrangements, point your
Web browser to http://www.lanl.gov/HPF.

If you have handouts that you would like to have distributed at the HPFF
meeting, please send them to me by noon Central Time on Friday, February
14, 1997.  Electronic copies should be sent to tlc@rice.edu AND
crpc.tr@cs.rice.edu.

The format of the meeting follows:

Wednesday, 2/26
1pm - 10pm

One U-shaped room for 20-25 people.

If you have any questions regarding the logistics for the HPFF meeting,
please let me know.  If you have any questions regarding technical issues,
please direct them to Mary Zosel (zosel@llnl.gov).

Sincerely,
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Just a reminder that tomorrow is the last day for hotel reservations at the 
Eldorado Hotel in Santa Fe.  Reservations can be made by e-mail to

rez@eldoradohotel.com

Be sure to reference the HPF meeting.  For those planning to arrive early,
the Eldorado is booked solid Saturday (2/22).  I have been on the phone 
looking for alternate sites and offer the following:

If you are coming in on Saturday, a possibilty is to stay in Albuquerque.  My
experience is that rooms are fairly easy to find there on weekends (except
during Fiesta).  You might try the Sleep Inn, 1-888-337-3262 voice or
1-505-244-3312 Fax.  The Sleep Inn is at International and Yale near the
airport and offers airport transportation and a contintal breakfast.  It's a
new property too.  The rate $45.00 plus tax (10.5%) for $49.76.  Ask for the
HPF rate.

I'll be talking to the Sales Manager of another hotel this afternoon.  
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Just FYI:  The El Dorado Hotel charges for one night in advance.  I made my
reservations through our travel office, which did not give me this
information.
I made the reservations at the beginning of the month and now have a charge
on my AMEX bill of $82.50 that I can't get reimbursed till the end of next
month.  I called the hotel and got it removed from my charge, but I had to
ask to speak to the "reservations manager" to accomplish this.  Both he and
the desk clerk said "this is standard practice in New Mexico."

Joel
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Joel, let me check into what is going on at the Eldorado.  But, I will say now
that "this is NOT (repeat NOT!!!!) standard practice in New Mexico."  You have,
by making the reservation, guaranteed staying there at least one night.  I
will determine the precise cancellation policy too.
 
Bob
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                          CALL FOR PAPERS

                       ACM 1997 Workshop on 
          Java for Science and Engineering Computation 

                 Las Vegas, Nevada, June 21, 1997 
             (In Conjunction with ACM SIGPLAN PPoPP) 
       http://www.cs.rochester.edu/u/wei/javaworkshop.html 

The workshop on Java for Science  and Engineering Computation is aimed
at discussing  all issues of using  Java in simulations where today we
use  Fortran   and  C++. We  include     both classic Grand  Challenge
applications  and libraries as  well  as distributed simulation as  in
Forces   Modeling  seen in SIMNET/DSI. We   include  both parallel and
sequential applications but will  only consider Java for simulation as
opposed  to major commercial  use of Java in  Web  Servers. We include
both optimized Java     native compilers for   numerical   kernels and
interpreted Java   "wrappers"   for  visualization.  We   also include
research issues on Java  language, compilers, interpreters and runtime
systems.

The workshop  is aimed at   getting a broad  perspective of  community
interests and views, as well as  more technical discussions. A similar
Java workshop   was   held very successfully    in   Syracuse in  1996
(http://www.npac.syr.edu/projects/javaforcse). A mailing list has been
created for  people interested in  Java   for Science and  Engineering
Computation. To join, send  a message with "subscribe java-for-cse" to
Majordomo@npac.syr.edu.

Original submissions are   invited in  all  areas including   (but not
restricted to):

       * Java in Simulation 
       * Web based Computation Environments in Java 
       * Optimized Compilation of Java 
       * Just-In-Time vs. Offline Compilation 
       * JVM as Compiler Intermediate Representation 
       * Java Runtime Systems 
       * Java I/O 
       * Data Parallel Java 
       * Mapping C, Fortran, and C++ to Java 
       * Java as User Interface to Simulations 
       * Java as Wrapper Technology for Existing Scientific Codes 
       * Use of Java Applets to Illustrate Science for Education 

Papers  should  report new research and   should not exceed 5000 words
(approximately 10  typeset   on 16-point spacing,   or  15 typewritten
double-spaced pages). Short    papers (less  than   3000 words)   that
describe existing implementations  or work-in-progress, or outline new
problems  or important issues  are  also welcome. All accepted  papers
will be presented at the workshop and published  in a special issue of
the journal "Concurrency: Practice and Experience".

SUBMISSION 

Electronic submission is preferred. Please e-mail a postscript copy of
your  submission or send  three hard  copies  to one of the co-chairs.
Submissions must be received by 5pm (Eastern Time)  on April 10, 1997.
Authors will be notified by April 30.  Final camera-ready versions are
due by May 15.

PROGRAM CO-CHAIRS 

  Geoffrey C Fox                        Wei Li 
  NPAC                                  Department of Computer Science 
  111 College Place                     711 Computer Studies Building 
  Syracuse University                   University of Rochester  
  Syracuse, NY 13244-4100               Rochester, NY 14627-0226 
  Phone: (315) 443-2163                 Phone: (716) 275-2957 
  FAX: (315) 443-1973                   FAX: (716) 461-2018 
  gcf@npac.syr.edu                      wei@cs.rochester.edu 


 

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By the time you read this messge, HPF version 2.0.omega will be available at

ftp://titan.cs.rice.edu/public/HPFF/work-in-progress/work-in-progress.tar.gz

ftp://titan.cs.rice.edu/public/HPFF/work-in-progress/hpf-report.dvi

ftp://titan.cs.rice.edu/public/HPFF/work-in-progress/hpf-report.ps

I plan to move this to the official draft directory
(ftp://titan.cs.rice.edu/public/HPFF/draft) around 8:00pm tonight unless
there are serious problems.  I do not intend to make *any* changes in that
move, except to revise the version number to 2.0.

If you find any problems with this draft (can't download it, your version
of LaTeX crashes when processing it, ...)  PLEASE tell me as soon as
possible.  In particular, I'd like to know before close of business today
(Friday) so there's some chance to correct it before announcing it to the
world.

Thanks to everybody who has made this document possible (if you aren't sure
whether you're in this group, check the acknowledgments :-)

						Chuck

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Charles Koelbel				CRPC, MS 132
Center for Research on Parallel Computation		Rice University
Rice University				6100 Main Street
chk@cs.rice.edu				Houston, TX 77005
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